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by rich3911
Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:07 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Sash construction - Double glazing
Replies: 16
Views: 439

Re: Sash construction - Double glazing

Like this: 20190209_165516 venetian3.jpg and as now: 20190209_165516 (Medium).jpg Yes, you could make the centre sashes a touch wider but up to you but they would look in keeping with the double boxframe above the ground floor window. Personally its a venetian all the way for me but as I said its j...
by rich3911
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:32 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Sash construction - Double glazing
Replies: 16
Views: 439

Re: Sash construction - Double glazing

Like this:

20190209_165516 venetian3.jpg


and as now:

20190209_165516 (Medium).jpg
by rich3911
Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:49 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Sash construction - Double glazing
Replies: 16
Views: 439

Re: Sash construction - Double glazing

and with the middle sash boxes back in...

20190209_165516 venetian2.jpg


I could certainly add some detailing to the outer linings to make them less plain...
by rich3911
Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:41 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Sash construction - Double glazing
Replies: 16
Views: 439

Re: Sash construction - Double glazing

Hmmm not sure that works as the window is very wide in proportion to the height. Might look better on a taller or narrower opening?

20190209_165516 venetian.jpg
by rich3911
Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:11 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Sash construction - Double glazing
Replies: 16
Views: 439

Re: Sash construction - Double glazing

I might photoshop them in and see what it looks like with venetian sytle windows... 20190209_165516 (Medium).jpg These are the windows that all need doing... eventually. 20190209_165529 (Medium).jpg 20190209_165609 (Medium).jpg You can see there are 4x triples and we have two bays: 20190209_165553 (...
by rich3911
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Sash construction - Double glazing
Replies: 16
Views: 439

Re: Sash construction - Double glazing

As you plan on making a huge saving making the windows yourself why not get a costing on heritage units it will help to keep your window in character and narrower rebates will help keep the meeting rails slimmer, i read that thicker units have double reflections and bulges from pressure and ruin th...
by rich3911
Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:25 am
Forum: Forum suggestions/comments/complaints
Topic: Bad form or just annoying?
Replies: 5
Views: 256

Re: Bad form or just annoying?

promhandicam wrote:Go for it. in the past UKW mods were a bunch of tossers - partly why this forum started. it used to be the case that WWUK was more trade orientated and UKW hobby, but no idea what UKW is like now as I've not visited in ages.


Ha! I thought I had read about 'the other place' on here. :lol:
by rich3911
Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:02 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Sash construction - Double glazing
Replies: 16
Views: 439

Re: Sash construction - Double glazing

Looking at a modern sash windows, they apprear to use 57mm rails and stiles. The frames are about 160mm deep. So if I went to those dimensions, I'd loose 20mm of reveal. Not too bad. Got this from planning today: " planning permission would not be required to replace a complete sash with anothe...
by rich3911
Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Sash construction - Double glazing
Replies: 16
Views: 439

Re: Sash construction - Double glazing

Pretty sure a 16mm softcoat argon/kryton gas filled unit will get you well within regs Google a U value sealed unit chart, yes to 15mm rebate and a 3mm gap all round the unit. You said you got 40mm thick sashes I would thicken them to 44mm if your going to totally renew the window. Not keen on exte...
by rich3911
Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:00 am
Forum: Forum suggestions/comments/complaints
Topic: Bad form or just annoying?
Replies: 5
Views: 256

Bad form or just annoying?

Newbie question: Is it considered bad form to post the same question here and on ukworkshop, or just slightly annoying for anyone who reads both?

(and now a real dilema, should I post this question on ukworkshop....)
by rich3911
Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:57 am
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Sash construction - Double glazing
Replies: 16
Views: 439

Sash construction - Double glazing

I'm working out the profile of sash stiles and rails when using double glazing and wanted to do a quick sanity check. Looking at U-value requirements (unless the planning dept say otherwise), I will need a 22mm thick unit. Allowing 2mm either side for window tape. Aiming for a stile/rail width of 45...
by rich3911
Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:36 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Sash construction - joints
Replies: 8
Views: 297

Re: Sash construction - joints

I agree the mullions are big and seeing as I only want the middle sash to open, I could run the sash cords along the top of the head and into the outside sash boxes. Can't do venetian, even though I like the look of them as our Orangery has equal size triples too. (but not sashes, just fixed casemen...
by rich3911
Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:32 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

Rich With a felder you will need a minimum of a chip extractor as the cutters will block up and seriously effect the timber finish. modern machines are designed to work with extraction as they throw all the spoil in the direction of a 100/125mm pipe OK good point! I didn't even realise there was a ...
by rich3911
Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:19 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

Ha! I am currently in the lead on that machine.... Not sure what it will go to though. I'm going to have a look at it tomorrow. Its an oldie but a good solid machine. If I win it, the seller has offered to give me some training. Many thanks for the offer to visit. The dust extractor would be very u...
by rich3911
Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

Hi You would not go far wrong with this (or something like) at the right price https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FELDER-BF6-26-Combination-Woodworking-Machine-on-360-degree-turntable-240-v/273681270438?hash=item3fb8acc6a6:g:G~gAAOSw7C5cVDNl:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true I'm on my third combi the last two b...
by rich3911
Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:42 am
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

You can buy redwood Vac Aqua treated profiles from here http://www.expresstimberproducts.co.uk/index.php?page=Sash---Case-Window-Sections, not what i would go for myself because the treatment doesnt go right through the wood so any cuts you make ie: mortice and tennon joints... infact any cuts you ...
by rich3911
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Sash construction - joints
Replies: 8
Views: 297

Re: Sash construction - joints

I thought this was an interesting blog of sash window contruction. http://customfurniture.us/index.php/furniture-blog/82-making-furniture/103-replicating-historic-window-sash I would ignore the blog to be honest. The order of processes are not great and in fact create more work so for instance ever...
by rich3911
Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:11 am
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Sash construction - joints
Replies: 8
Views: 297

Sash construction - joints

I thought this was an interesting blog of sash window contruction. http://customfurniture.us/index.php/furniture-blog/82-making-furniture/103-replicating-historic-window-sash They use a haunched mortise and tenon with nails going through. I have read some posts about just gluing scribed joints, whic...
by rich3911
Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:06 am
Forum: Power Tools and Machinery
Topic: If you had to choose a combi machine?
Replies: 6
Views: 275

Re: If you had to choose a combi machine?

thatsnotafestool wrote:Was that Russell ?


Yep. Very helpful chap!
by rich3911
Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:53 pm
Forum: Power Tools and Machinery
Topic: If you had to choose a combi machine?
Replies: 6
Views: 275

Re: If you had to choose a combi machine?

If you had to choose a combination machine, Hammer C3 31 or a Minimax C30 Genius? From what I've read, Minimax is better? But not 100% sure why... Just looked at the photos of the Minimax. There is NO comparison. In term of build quality, ruggedness etc the Hammer wins hands down although like all ...
by rich3911
Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:37 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

Hi Mark, I have had a look for courses but they are all site carpenter type stuff. Nope it's not easy. I can certianly see that. But I don't think I'd find it impossible. A mainstream college should do NVQ courses in Site Carpentry and then Joinery but some also offer Wood Machining. It will depend...
by rich3911
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:57 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

Sorry £2170 was for 2 triples! Vs £9500 fitted. Allowing £2000 for the 2 triples (£1000 each) and £1500 for each bay, we get to £10k DIY + tooling and a machine (which I could if I wanted to recover maybe 50% of afterwards...) Maybe that might get to £15k plus £5k on a machine. I'm still not half w...
by rich3911
Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

I may decide to get some basic/used machines an make a single sash first. We have one that will need doing. It's only a small window so will be managable. It will allow me to have a few goes at it without breaking the bank... Once I get the process down and the layout fixed, I will have a better id...
by rich3911
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:55 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

I may decide to get some basic/used machines an make a single sash first. We have one that will need doing. It's only a small window so will be managable. It will allow me to have a few goes at it without breaking the bank... Once I get the process down and the layout fixed, I will have a better ide...
by rich3911
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

Hi again Rich, and thank you again for your update on pricing. I still think that the costing need to be refined a bit but you do seem to be moving quickly on it. Not really sure how you got £51,000 verses £10,000. Assuming your price is correct for one window: total: £1670 Add in £500 for mistakes...
by rich3911
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:40 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

I hope to recover the achitraves so I can re-use them. The are very decorative an original. If you can't save the original architraves you can have some cutters made and make your own to the exact same profile.. Thinking on futher, there are 4x triple sashes and 4x bays that will need doing. Quote ...
by rich3911
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:31 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

[.... Unless you're seriously minted it takes years to kit out a workshop enough to do a decent standard or workmanship ..... Depends on your definition of 'seriously minted' ! A Hammer combination machine, although not ideal, could do them. £6k ish ? Or buy secondhand...I'm tempted to ditch my Ham...
by rich3911
Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:02 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

Have you searched this site for other threads on sash windows ? There's been quite a lot over the years. Yep, and I promise not to write a magazine article about my findings! :lol: Seriously, though I have been soaking it all in. Learning the names for all the parts, looking at drawings, following ...
by rich3911
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:26 am
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

Hi Rich, Thank you for the pictures and price updates. I can see that having received a quote of £4500 to make and fit one Box sash window (with three sections, six sashes) has now given you the incentive to look at ways of reducing the overall cost. I am not quite clear on how your costings actual...
by rich3911
Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:48 am
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

Why not use Sapele instead of Accoya ? If you do decide to make them yourself and buy a spindle moulder then please, please seriously consider going on a training course on how to use it safely. I will use Accoya because I want the durability and stability. We are in an exposed location. Here is an...
by rich3911
Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:39 pm
Forum: Power Tools and Machinery
Topic: If you had to choose a combi machine?
Replies: 6
Views: 275

Re: If you had to choose a combi machine?

I would go for a Felder, i got seperates myself, whats your budget ? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FELDER-CF-531-Professional-Woodworking-Combination/333001910757?hash=item4d8875e9e5:g:5X4AAOSwE9BbsqeE:rk:6:pf:0 Ha! Didn't see that one, I was searching for Combination machine! Looks like a good buy. B...
by rich3911
Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:14 am
Forum: Power Tools and Machinery
Topic: If you had to choose a combi machine?
Replies: 6
Views: 275

If you had to choose a combi machine?

If you had to choose a combination machine, Hammer C3 31 or a Minimax C30 Genius?

From what I've read, Minimax is better? But not 100% sure why...
by rich3911
Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:27 am
Forum: Wanted
Topic: used combination machine
Replies: 0
Views: 92

used combination machine

I know this is a shot in the dark, but looking for a Hammer or Minimax combination machine, can be 3 phase up to 3hp, or single phase. Ideally within 200 miles of Dorset.

Cheers!
by rich3911
Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:05 am
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

Right, sorry for the delay responding, took a while for the post to be approved! So where am I? Dorset. Purbeck. Picture of the window, here: outside of window.jpg I have since gathered some more info on costs etc. I think the materials will come in at about £1500 for 2 windows. Given the cost of ha...
by rich3911
Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:23 am
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Finish on pallet projects
Replies: 5
Views: 312

Re: Finish on pallet projects

Some other finishes to try: sand blasting. This makes the grain really stand out. Used a lot to make new wood look old. inlayed metal. copper wire, nails or anything really, then sand it back smooth. This can look amazing when done right. lichtenberg. If you are brave and are not afraid of a horribl...
by rich3911
Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:10 pm
Forum: Woodworking
Topic: Replacement Sash and Case Windows
Replies: 62
Views: 2557

Re: Replacement Sash and Case Windows

Hope it's ok to restart this thread? I've been looking at getting some old sash windows replaced, going from single to double glazed at the same time. For a triple sash of approx 2250x1700mm with no muntins, so just 6 panes, in Accoya, with only the middle sash opening, using proper cords and weight...

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