Wagtails/parting slips

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Wagtails/parting slips

Postby thatsnotafestool » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:34 pm

For those of you who make sash windows, how long do you make them ?

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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby JonR » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:29 pm

I did mine down to the bottom of the access pocket. Never had any clunking of the weights at all.

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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby Leveller2911 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:43 pm

I make wagtails about 3" short of the cill and make them out of Birch play rather than WBP or timber. Does anyone make them out of timber these days?.

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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby thatsnotafestool » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:18 am

Thanks, chaps. Exactly what I thought.

The numpties cocked these up then

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Supposed to be coming round to remove the wagtails today. Quite how they are going to do this will be interesting as the rest of the windows are installed.
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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby Oakfield » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:32 am

Will you get enough movement of the sashs if you adjust the cord so that, for example, when the top sash is right up the top of the weight doesn't go past the bottom of the wagtail?

Does that make sense?!

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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby thatsnotafestool » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:39 am

It's not the top sash that's the issue but the bottom one.
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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby Leveller2911 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:16 am

Oakfield wrote:Will you get enough movement of the sashs if you adjust the cord so that, for example, when the top sash is right up the top of the weight doesn't go past the bottom of the wagtail?

Does that make sense?!


Makes sense but the problem would be the sashes won't travel enough up/down to expose the meeting rails when they need to be painted. The windows actually look as though someone knew what they were doing when making them but can't understand why they made the mistakes they did.. Quite bizarre,maybe they gave the job to the trainee to do and no one kept an eye on them.

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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby hercule » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:13 pm

I like how they have set the pulley wheels to different heights.
Quite a quirky feature.

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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby mattmacy » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:49 am

Ok, so to clarify...keep the wagtail short of the cill by 3-4" and is left loose apart from fixing it at the top to allow access to both weight via 1 pocket.
Is this correct???
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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby thatsnotafestool » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:38 am

Yup. Spot on.

They removed the short wagtails by removing the parting bead and drilling through the groove at the top where it was sitting. Bit Hit'nMiss but eventually they managed to drill through all the wagtails and they were pulled out via the pockets.

The sloppy upper sashes...forgot to mention those....made 8mm too thin and so rattled back and forth in the frame ! Fixed by gluing strips to the front of the outer frame. Time will tell how longterm this is.
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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby Leveller2911 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:40 pm

thatsnotafestool wrote:Yup. Spot on.

They removed the short wagtails by removing the parting bead and drilling through the groove at the top where it was sitting. Bit Hit'nMiss but eventually they managed to drill through all the wagtails and they were pulled out via the pockets.

The sloppy upper sashes...forgot to mention those....made 8mm too thin and so rattled back and forth in the frame ! Fixed by gluing strips to the front of the outer frame. Time will tell how longterm this is.



Complete bodge and should never have made the mistake in the first place.

Re: Wagtails, what stops the weights from hitting each other? did they add some weight deflectors to the tops of the weights?.

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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby rhrwilliams » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:32 pm

If this was a big joinery firm they should remake the windows for you or you should deduct a decent amount of money until all the issues are sorted.
Not very good really if you have paid a lot of money for nice windows and you get something other than that.

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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby thatsnotafestool » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:18 am

All good points. In an ideal world I'd have got them to remake them. But I had builders itching to continue with the renovation and the delay would have made things very difficult.
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Re: Wagtails/parting slips

Postby Tomyjoiner » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:41 pm

Bet you wont use them again an hopefully you got a good discount. Obv not used to making them.


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