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A bit of an indulgence

Postby jonnyd » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:08 pm

A few boxes turned up today with shiny metal things inside

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They are all very nice and shiny and stuff

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Ive not had a chance to play with them but im sure they will be very good

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby karl » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:11 pm

:o

Some great planes there. Why both shoulder planes?

Is the LN for the Secret Santa? If so, i'm pretty sure that I know who you'll draw :lol:

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby modernist » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:13 pm

Very nice Jon. Is that the new space age metal jointer blade?

That block plane is just pure bling

Do you do a lot of mitreing then?
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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby Doug » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:36 pm

Can't fault you mate.

I've just bought the large shoulder plane....super bit of kit.

Enjoy.

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby mattty » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:54 pm

:shock: Nice haul Jonny.
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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby Mr Ed » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:06 pm

Very nice stuff.

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Postby JHWBigley » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:12 pm

Sweeet haul Jonny... you just need to make a cabinet to put them in now :lol:

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby promhandicam » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:27 pm

Jonny is just waiting for these and he'll be sorted

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby jonnyd » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:37 pm

karl wrote::o

Some great planes there. Why both shoulder planes?l:


I thought 3 might be over the top

modernist wrote:Very nice Jon. Is that the new space age metal jointer blade?

That block plane is just pure bling

Do you do a lot of mitreing then?


I think it's the new pm corrugated black plastic blade

The mitre plane is a bit of a luxury but hopefully be usefull

JHWBigley wrote:Sweeet haul Jonny... you just need to make a cabinet to put them in now :lol:

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I've been wondering what to do with the rio rosewood veneer I've had for 10 years

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby jonnyd » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:38 pm

promhandicam wrote:Jonny is just waiting for these and he'll be sorted

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:lol:


I've already got them lol

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby paulchapman » Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:57 pm

Blimey, have you won the lottery, Jon :shock: :lol:

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Postby mark270981 » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:05 pm

looks superb bit of kit - I wish that lot were in my collection!!
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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby sainty » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:11 pm

I have the large shoulder plane and it's excellent.

That block plane looks the business, whoever gets you in the secret santa is going to be well chuffed!

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby jonnyd » Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:07 pm

paulchapman wrote:Blimey, have you won the lottery, Jon :shock: :lol:

Cheers ;)

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Not quite just spending the last of the money I inherited from my grandad and plus it reduces the tax bill

I haven't decided which one to give away in the secret Santa yet.

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby JHWBigley » Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:58 pm

That LN 51 is one hell of veneer shooting plane :lol:

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby jonnyd » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:51 pm

JHWBigley wrote:That LN 51 is one hell of veneer shooting plane :lol:

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You should be honoured your the only person who's used it yet :D

The doors have straightened themselves out

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby JHWBigley » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:33 pm

jonnyd wrote:
JHWBigley wrote:That LN 51 is one hell of veneer shooting plane :lol:

JH


You should be honoured your the only person who's used it yet :D

The doors have straightened themselves out

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I am and glad the doors have sorted themselves out. Do you think it was the heat then?

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby jonnyd » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:47 pm

I reckon it was just one side got very hot and the other side was cooler.

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby robos60 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:24 pm

I've got all of those, but I don't like the shiny block or the big shoulder plane - Rob

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby jonnyd » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:15 pm

I really like the shiny block seems to fit the hand well and I use it lots. The big shoulder plane has been very usefull for big joinery stuff but can be a bit cumbersome on furniture work.

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby Doug » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:36 pm

jonnyd wrote: The big shoulder plane has been very usefull for big joinery stuff but can be a bit cumbersome on furniture work.


I`ve found it excellent, even on fairly small tenons. Just used it on a bath panel I made, not only to clean up the tenons but also for a quick once over on the routered chamfers.

It feels just the right weight in the hand, well for me at least.

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby jfc » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:03 pm

About the same as a can of stella then ? :lol:

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby jonnyd » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:17 pm

Had all these a few months now and all are getting used on a regular basis and I am pleased with them all. The 51 has been put into use this week on some walnut frames and its a joy to use. Made a shooting board with a 45 degree attachment

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The joints turned out ok ish

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby paulchapman » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:52 pm

That #51 is a cracking plane - pity it's so expensive. I tried one out at a show. That skewed blade and the weight of the plane really make a big difference.

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby JHWBigley » Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:21 pm

Nice mitres Jonny, very crisp.

I'm going to have a go at making a Paul Sellers style one. https://woodworkingmasterclasses.com/

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby Doug » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:03 pm

Nice Jon.

Good to see ya Bessy`s being utilized as well.

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby jonnyd » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:52 pm

The Besseys are great must get another couple or so.

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby noel » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:14 pm

jonnyd wrote:The Besseys are great must get another couple or so.

Cheers

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Jonny, nice mitres. BTW what's the difference in the Bessey hold downs compared to the usual, say, Trend type? Less fathing around adjusting height and lock nuts etc?

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Postby jonnyd » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:30 pm

Yeah Noel just quick and easy to use and pretty good price as well. You can fine tune the pressure by turning a screw as well

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby noel » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:19 pm

Thanks, think I'll get a few.

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Postby robos60 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:22 am

Nice...have used all those in the 'shop except the big shoulder plane and own most of them. Although they work quite well, there an 'issue' with the shoulder planes, which is mentioned in theLV blurb. Tension the blade normally (about 1/8th turn) and then put a straight edge across the bottom :shock: - Rob

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Postby modernist » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:00 pm

robos60 wrote:Nice...have used all those in the 'shop except the big shoulder plane and own most of them. Although they work quite well, there an 'issue' with the shoulder planes, which is mentioned in theLV blurb. Tension the blade normally (about 1/8th turn) and then put a straight edge across the bottom :shock: - Rob


Nice of you to point this out after having taken my money Rob
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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby jonnyd » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:15 pm

Tested mine today got no deflection on the medium shoulder plane and a very slight deflection on the large plane with the blade over tightened under normal pressure it was ok.

It's a bit underhand to sell faulty goods online then gloat about it .

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Postby mark270981 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:39 pm

modernist wrote:
robos60 wrote:Nice...have used all those in the 'shop except the big shoulder plane and own most of them. Although they work quite well, there an 'issue' with the shoulder planes, which is mentioned in theLV blurb. Tension the blade normally (about 1/8th turn) and then put a straight edge across the bottom :shock: - Rob


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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby karl » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:47 pm

modernist wrote:
robos60 wrote:Nice...have used all those in the 'shop except the big shoulder plane and own most of them. Although they work quite well, there an 'issue' with the shoulder planes, which is mentioned in theLV blurb. Tension the blade normally (about 1/8th turn) and then put a straight edge across the bottom :shock: - Rob


Nice of you to point this out after having taken my money Rob


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Glad you beat me to it Brian

Rob - you should have put it on e-bay. Flogging dodgy stuff off to forum members is naughty.

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Postby JHWBigley » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:56 pm

robos60 wrote:Nice...have used all those in the 'shop except the big shoulder plane and own most of them. Although they work quite well, there an 'issue' with the shoulder planes, which is mentioned in theLV blurb. Tension the blade normally (about 1/8th turn) and then put a straight edge across the bottom :shock: - Rob


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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby robos60 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:55 pm

The Veritas shoulder planes are NOT faulty but the soles will deflect under normal working tension. If you care to look at my post, I said they work "quite well'' and they do...I used mine several times without even worrying about it. The fact that the soles deflect is clearly pointed out in the LV information sheet which is supplied with new planes and which I included also with the plane I sold. That said, they work better if the sole is flat (under normal working tension) which is very easily achieved by retracting the blade about a mm (under tension) and lapping on suitable media. I didn't do the one I sold, but it's very easily done and would take around 15 mins. I've done other planes recently using various grades of 3M films from WH on a thick glass plate. All of them, to a certain extent will deform under pressure...LN's are pretty good, Clifton's are the best and another from the US I tested recently was the same as the Veritas Medium and it took 20 minutes or so to get the sole flat. Like everything else the old adage of 'caveat emptor' applies, be it to new or second hand goods from wherever they're purchased.
The sole on the LN Bronze was completely concave and this could be seen without recourse to a straight edge....but it still worked well. I've now lapped it flat but looking at the LN website they state that this plane should be lapped flat from time to time - Rob

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby mrgrimsdale » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:30 am

.....'caveat emptor' applies,.....
Especially if you buy something from wee Robbie! :lol: :lol:

A lot of these posh end tools are hopelessly over rated and over priced anyway IMHO. I'm amazed that you are expected to repair them before use! :roll: Caveat emptor again. They should at least supply the 3m film, glass plates and other bollox.

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Postby modernist » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:33 am

An astonishing reply. I haven't actually seen the plane yet, as I am on holiday, but I'll enquire of Rob Lee what he thinks. I'm sure he'll be delighted with your review.

Jacob beat me to it but "caveat emptor" is precisely what I had hoped to avoid when buying a Veritas. As for the morality of the seller, on here of all places, no further comment is required from me. (However ar*ehole springs to mind)
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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby robos60 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:44 am

It's also, as it happens, mentioned in full on the LV web page for the Medium Shoulder Plane and I quote:

" As you tighten the wheel, you increase the blade clamping force that, in turn, results in a slight deflection of the blade bed. This is normal and does not affect performance. A very light clamp force will deflect the blade bed 0.0005". A hard clamp force will deflect the blade bed by as much as 0.003". Extremely small adjustments to blade depth can be achieved by changing the blade clamping force. Clamp the blade (1/8 turn should be ample – do not overclamp) and take a test cut on a flat scrap of wood.

I've emboldened and underlined the salient bit for Karl's benefit:
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Rob - you should have put it on e-bay. Flogging dodgy stuff off to forum members is naughty.


...and Brian
modernist wrote:An astonishing reply. I haven't actually seen the plane yet, as I am on holiday, but I'll enquire of Rob Lee what he thinks. I'm sure he'll be delighted with your review.

Jacob beat me to it but "caveat emptor" is precisely what I had hoped to avoid when buying a Veritas. As for the morality of the seller, on here of all places, no further comment is required from me. (However ar*ehole springs to mind)

...please do enquire with Rob Lee. I suspect you'll get a similar reply because I've quoted directly from the website. As for your last comment, that'll get treated with the utter contempt it deserves - Rob


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