A bit of an indulgence

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby modernist » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:50 am

You may think your behaviour and comments are perfectly acceptable Rob, in which case it reminds me of Carol Thatcher who couldn't understand why calling a tennis player a g****wog may not have been quite appropriate.

I will leave the readers to draw their own conclusion.
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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby robos60 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:00 am

modernist wrote:I will leave the readers to make their own conclusion.

...but there's no argument with the facts, straight from LV, as I've clearly stated. I'm sure the members will make up their own minds. The shoulder planes work well as I've said, but a few minutes spent lapping the sole will prove beneficial as (in my experience) it gives a little more control over what the plane is doing - Rob

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby mark270981 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:02 am

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby mrgrimsdale » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:07 am

robos60 wrote:
modernist wrote:I will leave the readers to make their own conclusion.

...but there's no argument with the facts, straight from LV, as I've clearly stated. I'm sure the members will make up their own minds. The shoulder planes work well as I've said, but a few minutes spent lapping the sole will prove beneficial as (in my experience) it gives a little more control over what the plane is doing - Rob

Then why the f**k don't they lap the sole before they send them out ? They make the tools, we just use them.

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby robos60 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:15 am

That's something that puzzles me and for that Rob Lee might be able to offer an answer. LN clearly lap theirs (because they're almost flat under correct blade tensioning pressure) and I know for a fact that Cliftons are done the same way...so why are LV planes made differently? As I said before, they do work well but a 'bendy' sole is a bit off-putting...it's not something that any of us would tolerate in (say) a bench plane - Rob

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby mrgrimsdale » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:20 am

robos60 wrote:......so why are LV planes made differently? .....

Crap quality control, unless it's a basic design problem.

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby roblee » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:45 pm

mrgrimsdale wrote:
robos60 wrote:......so why are LV planes made differently? .....

Crap quality control, unless it's a basic design problem.


Actually Jacob - it's basic metallurgy ... chill out.

Applying a perpendicular load on a thin section will cause bending. If you don't apply unnecessary load - it won't bend. The lever cap is to contstrain movement - not apply load.

We could pre-tension and lap - but that would virtually guarantee it'd be wrong for everyone. Lap if you want - don't lap if you want.

Basically - it's a software "issue"... not hardware. :)

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby modernist » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:25 pm

roblee wrote:
mrgrimsdale wrote:
robos60 wrote:......so why are LV planes made differently? .....

Crap quality control, unless it's a basic design problem.


Actually Jacob - it's basic metallurgy ... chill out.

Applying a perpendicular load on a thin section will cause bending. If you don't apply unnecessary load - it won't bend. The lever cap is to contstrain movement - not apply load.

We could pre-tension and lap - but that would virtually guarantee it'd be wrong for everyone. Lap if you want - don't lap if you want.

Basically - it's a software "issue"... not hardware. :)

Rob


Thanks for clearing that up Rob.
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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby paulchapman » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:02 pm

In one of his books, David Charlesworth suggested a helpful dodge for tensioning the lever cap on shoulder planes. When you have found the ideal tension (ie that which holds the blade firm without distorting the sole), mark the lever cap screw with, say, a permanent marker pen. It's then easy to re-set the tension correctly each time the blade is adjusted.

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby senior » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:57 pm

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby mark270981 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:02 pm

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby karl » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:21 pm

Had a bit of an indulgence myself today

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Not my own cash - a gift (although I did pay to upgrade from the No7 to the 8).

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Re: A bit of an indulgence

Postby mrgrimsdale » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:52 pm

senior wrote:I have done a quick sketch which may help

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Yebbut if you are paying a mountain of cash for a plane there are no molehills! Personally I'd send it back.


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