Wadkin Tradesman RS10 spindle moulder problems.

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Wadkin Tradesman RS10 spindle moulder problems.

Post by Jenks » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:14 pm

Hi everyone, very new to woodworkuk. So I’ll apologise if anyone has covered this topic before.

Recently purchased a rather nice old wadkin tradesman RS10 spindle moulder. It was more or less complete. Got it back to my workshop and whilst moving it around, it got the better of me and it tipped over, impacting on the stone wall on its way down. Bending the main spindle, locking nut and possibly the threaded section that sticks out of the bearing housing.

So long story short, has anyone got any spares, or know of any company who had any old stock or who breaks old machines to sell the parts?

If not, I’ll either have to get an engineering firm to see if they can make new parts or worse case scenario scrap the lot and buy another.

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Post by jfc » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:51 pm

Scott and sargeant may have one or speak to Dalton who bought Wadkin out but i think the best bet is keep an eye on ebay .
I have some RS parts as i have 2 of them . Not sure i have a spare complete spindle and locking nut though .
What size spindle do you need ?

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Post by Jenks » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:52 pm

Spoke to Dalton this afternoon, they can’t help with parts as the ‘tradesman’ brand was made in Brazil as such the drawings and measurements remain in the ownership of ‘tradesman’ etc.
Think I’ll try Scott and sargeant tomorrow. It’s a 30mm spindle, do you think they’re interchangeable between machine models?

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Post by jfc » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:12 am

Not sure to be honest . From memory the Tradesman is before the BER RS . I also have an EPA and the RS spindle and locking nut wont fit that . I think if you can check if your locking nut is ok you should be able to buy a new 30mm spindle .
I have some wadkin info somewhere and i'm sure i saw the tradesman book in there .
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Just looked and what i have starts with a BER1 then BER2 ( what i have also known as the RS ) Maybe your Tradesman is the BER RS1 and mine is BER RS2 ? Can you take a photo ?

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Post by Jenks » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:47 pm

Here’s a picture of the machine
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Post by Jenks » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:49 pm

Managed to get the main components out the machine this morning
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Post by Jenks » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:52 pm

It turns out, the base of the spindle is ever so slightly bent. The main problem is with the threaded part where the spindle sits into the main drive shaft. I’ll add a picture of the part I mean.

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Post by Jenks » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:56 pm

So the lower threaded section in which the spindle sits in is bent, as is the spindle that sits in it
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Post by jfc » Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:32 pm

Ouch ! I think your best bet is to look out for a donor machine . Having said that you may find the tradesman under powered so may be better off looking for a larger machine . My BER2's are ok but i have to take extra passes for things like cill sections . I guess it depends what you are wanting to machine ?

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Post by Jenks » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:04 pm

I’ve done plenty of looking all over the internet, nobody seems to be breaking them at the moment.
I bought the machine to act as an all rounder until I had a bigger workshop. Then I was going to leave it set up for running VTG through.
Does your BER2 spindle look similar?

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Post by jfc » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:42 pm

I dont think so . My spindles are like this
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Once dropped into place you place a capping bolt over the spindle and screw that onto the shaft to hold the spindle in place .

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Post by Jenks » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:01 pm

Yes they are very different to mine. Is the one on the left for a BER2?

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Post by jfc » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:13 pm

Yes , the two others are for the EPA but they all fit the same with the bolt screwing down to hold them in place . The BER2 is a 1" bore The EPA 1-1/4"
If you have a 30mm spindle it must have been made by someone aftersales as i would think the tradesman would be 1" bore .

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Post by Jenks » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:18 pm

This is the only information I can find out about it. It’s a real shame I can find a parts diagram or list.
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Post by Jenks » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:20 pm

Definitely shows it as a 30mm spindle. I suppose I’m going to have to get one made. If I do, I might get a 30mm and a 1” made. That way I can use a variety of heads.

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Post by jfc » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:57 pm

Before you throw money at it think about what you will want to do with it . I know you said t and g and it will probably do that all day long BUT at single phase it is 1.5 HP . 3 phase its 2 HP according to the pictures you have just posted .
Getting a spindle made is going to cost a few quid . I guess into the hundreds .
I've had a low HP spindle moulder myself , it never got used . I now have four 3 to 5.5 Hp moulders that get used all the time .
I really need to stop buying spindle moulders !

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Post by jfc » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:34 am

There is a shaft on ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spindle-moul ... whbZd8Vfb

Youll be the luckiest man on earth if it fits but its worth sending the seller a message with a few questions .

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Post by Jenks » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:55 pm

I’m sorry for the late reply.
You are probably right about the cost. I’m going to budget £200-£250 to repair, if it’s going to cost more, it will get turned into something else.
I’m not to sure if that spindle from eBay would be any use or not, I did however come across a cooksley dpindje moulder which looked very similar in the internal parts.
Who owned cooksley originally? It’s advertised as a wadkin cooksley.


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Post by jfc » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:13 pm

Thats a BER 1 or 2 . Buy it !
My EPA is badged as Wadkin supplied by Cooksley . Cooksley where local to me and i guess a main supplier of machines for London and the South in the 40's and 50's etc .I guess the two companies merged at some point or just did business in some way .
The 5 blocks and ring fence are worth more than £400 !
You could use the tradesman as a router table , just buy a universal plate and drill the spindle bed to hold the router . Then you have a spare motor if something else pops up thats fooked :D

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Post by Jenks » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:28 pm

I’d snap it up if it was single phase, my little workshop only has single phase at present.
So if that’s very similar to both BERs, perhaps I could look out for one of those for spares? It’s the centre shaft that slides inside the main casting that looks similar to mine.

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Post by jfc » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:08 am

Ive never taken one that far apart before to be able to tell you . You could still run that one in your workshop with a phase converter . I used my BER2 with a static phase converter and now use the EPA with a rotary phase converter .
Static starts the machine at three phase and then drops to single phase when running so a little under powered . https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MS3-Phase-Co ... wArteJIxD

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Post by Jenks » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:14 pm

I think I’ll have to go down that route at some point.
I’ve got a chap coming on Monday to see if he can make me a new spindle. Says he’s done it before so we’ll see what comes of it. Just a shame nobody is breaking a tradesman machine at the moment.

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