Festool Domino (sorry)

[mark270981]

Guys

I have done a search or 2 on here for the domino, but couldn't really find the info i needed.

next week i am going to be making some built in wardrobes with Ash doors shaker style, and what i would like to know is the loose m and t's be up to the job?

I have alot of these doors to do over the next few months, so i am thinking it would be a good investment for me?

Of those of you who use one in a commercial capacity, how has it improved time saving, could you live with out one?

Cheers for looking

Mark

[jfc]

I live without one and even if i had one i would prefer scribe jointed doors , you need to run a groove for the panel anyway so why not get the router set / spindle set that cuts the opposite . Its alot quicker than messing about with false tenons .

[promhandicam]

I do have a domino but don't use it to make frame and panel (shaker) style doors. I use this set of cutters from wealden which with the addition of an additional groover can be used to make doors with either 6mm or 9mm panels. I do have to make some glazed doors soon and was thinking of using dominos to assemble the frames on those but for regular doors I don't think they are really necessary. Will be interested to hear other peoples thoughts.

[mark270981]

i am going slightly off course here, i have never used a router table and the vast array of cutters that are available, I have a startrite spindle moulder. Is it worth having both? i prefer the ease of set up with the router table and the fact that the cutters are cheaper? and i was thinking of using the spindle moulder for rebating.

I would be interested to hear what you have to say?? as I will need to make a purchase in a weeks time to get this job done.

Many Thanks

Mark

[cncpaul]

I do have a domino but don't use it to make frame and panel (shaker) style doors. I use this set of cutters from wealden which with the addition of an additional groover can be used to make doors with either 6mm or 9mm panels. I do have to make some glazed doors soon and was thinking of using dominos to assemble the frames on those but for regular doors I don't think they are really necessary. Will be interested to hear other peoples thoughts.

Steve,

Same here, for the glazed doors I glue them up without any panel, when the glue is set use one of the cutters and a bearing to machine off the
the back inside of the stile to form a rebate, square up the corners and then bead the glass in. A bit of silicone around the glass will give it extra strength.

[jfc]

I only use my router table for cupboard doors . If i could find a set of cutters for the spindle that did the same i could get rid of the router table .

[Tim Nott]

Not trying to show off, but a mortiser, tenoner and spindle moulder is unbeatable as you can keep the setup of each machine. OK we cheat and use a router tabke as well for complicated doors like these http://www.timnott.co.uk/gallery/archi/target4.html





Edited by JFC to show the picture .

[gazza]

As others have said, better to use scribe cuters or cutters like Steves . That said i have made 78" x 18" x 1.5" glazed double doors with nothing but the domino (for a mate who wanted a set of cheap doors) they seem to be holding up well so far

HTH,


Nice door Tim
Any particular reason for the hinge placement ?

Cheers,
gazza.

[stevep]

I've made small doors with the Domino, but only when I've been working away from the workshop, and not for anything classy. Normally I use a spindle with this cutter for cupboard doors: http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.asp? ... e=1&jump=0
I also use a router table with T1352 cutters from Wealden http://www.wealdentool.com/cgi-bin/sh00 ... 52_2d1_2f2 for sash windows.
Had to make a single sash yesterday, and used the spindle for rebates and the router table for the moulding and scribes. Wouldn't want to be without one or the other really as it saves on setting-up time.

[modernist]

Any particular reason for the hinge placement ?

It's Euro Man

[promhandicam]

Same here, for the glazed doors I glue them up without any panel, when the glue is set use one of the cutters and a bearing to machine off the the back inside of the stile to form a rebate, square up the corners and then bead the glass in. A bit of silicone around the glass will give it extra strength.

Thanks for that idea Paul - that makes perfect sense and I think will be easier than rebating the timber and then using the domino.

[gazza]

Any particular reason for the hinge placement ?

It's Euro Man

Ahhhh Right then, must get out more

So no particular reason other than aesthetics then ??

Cheers,
gazza.

[bloonose]

Not having an SM or much space, I use the domino to make all my doors, no problems with any I've made, though would only use this on furniture not joinery work or big wardrobe doors. I've done it on glazed, flat shaker and with moulded material, so it is possible if you want to go down that route. I'd say its one of my most used tools, but the most overpriced

[modernist]

Any particular reason for the hinge placement ?

It's Euro Man

I enquired about this when I used it myself and it is apparently more resistant to kids swinging on doors.
The theory is that the load tends to pull the top of the door away from the frame with the vertical load taken by the bottom hinge.
Not a problem I have come across much myself but you do see it in modern public buildings aswell.

[mark270981]

well i bought i spindle moulder i haven't used it yet, so i am guessing my money would be better spent on the tooling for it.

can anyone reccommend to me the spindle tooling required please?

I have just come out of a commercial shop and i never took any notice of what we used, we just used it if you know what i mean.

Cheers again.

P.s its 16:15 and just for your info i am designing and quoting!

[Tim Nott]

Just to elaborate on my previous outburst, were I starting to make doors and had a spindle moulder, I'd definitely buy a mortiser rather than A Domino. You can tenon on a spindle or a table saw - there are gadgets that slide on a table saw so you can cut the cheeks with the rails vertical. I thin Steve Maskery has also designed a wooden version that is, as usual, admirable.
A mortiser will let you cut any size mortises from cabinet doors to house doors. Most mortice chisels have 70mm depth, so the M&Ts are m much stronger. and if you mortise from both sides you can get through tenons.
You'd want one with X,Y and Z adjustment with handwheels, and preferably dovetails slides. Have a look at Axminster. They also do cheap sets of the chisel and augurs - fine for startoff, but if you're doing a lot you need Clico or Fisch quality - about 60 quid for a 12mm pair.

[mark270981]

oops forgot to mention that i have ordered subjected tool and will pick it up on wednesday, i hope its money well spent?! at 800 quid for the various bits and pieces.

Am I on the festool slippery slope?

I am thinking of buying the carvex jigsaw tomorrow - eeeeeekkkkk is it worth it??

[senior]

£800 I hope you get a lot of extras

[paulchapman]

I am thinking of buying the carvex jigsaw tomorrow - eeeeeekkkkk is it worth it??

I tried one out recently. I'm not a fan of jigsaws but the Carvex was really impressive. In particular, it cut through very thick wood while giving a 90 degree cut. Some of the accessory bases were impressive as well, particularly the Angle Table WT-PS 400, for cutting angles anywhere from +45 degrees to -45 degrees, although it's very expensive.

I'm not really into Festool stuff (except the Domino ) but if I wanted a jigsaw and money was no object, I'd buy it.

Cheers

Paul

[mark270981]

i got the full shebang for that, all the accessories and domino's etc etc.

Plus a box full of drill bits, a t shirt and a tape measure, lol.

i phoned up quite a few tool sheds and no one was willing to move on price or throw anything in half decent, so ended up going for the best local deal.

[mtr1]

It is a very slippery slope I'm afraid Mark, I've only got the ts55, and the domino. But I could do with a new jigsaw, and I had a go with a carvex the other day so I might get one I found it very good and as Paul described, but very pricy. do what I do, Stick a bit extra on a couple of jobs