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Postby Doug » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:53 pm

Well, after weighing up the pro`s & con`s of buying a new thicknesser, I bought one anyway.

For once any delays getting the machine were the fault of God & myself & not Hammer, as they got it ready for collection before I expected & then it snowed like buggery so I didn`t want to let my new toy get cold in the back of the van whilst I was stuck in a snow drift :lol:

I fetched it a week last friday & then found out my electrical supply wasn`t up to the task of powering it up, so further delays were encountered whilst I up graded the string that feeds the new 32 amp socket :shock: :o :?

So after lots of heaving (in more ways than one) I managed to get it out of the van, into the shop, on to the base I`d made for it & up & running this Saturday.

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I went for the spiral block, very quiet.

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After a little concern when I read the first bad review on tipped blocks on here a few weeks ago, (I`d read a lot on American sites & no one had a bad word for them), I`m pleased to say the finish is superior to my last thicknesser with no cutter marks left on the planed piece, just very faint marks from the out feed roller which hopefully I can adjust.
I took this picture with my I-phone literally 2" away from this piece of pine

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Gratuitous shot of my lovely home made £19-99 base.

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Underside of the lift away hood which shows the cutter dust port, which seems to work very well.

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Quick question, this is the first machine I`ve owned that the bed has any machine marks on them, they remind me of finger prints & I was wondering if I should give the bed a coat of anything to help the timber move over it. The machining marks look a little extreme in this piccy but once again I took the photo as close as I could whilst still being in focus.

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Final piccy with hood raised.

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So far I`m well impressed with the Hammer, great build quality, low noise, very good extraction & a really nice finish even with the out feed roller marks, they are less prominent than the scallops left by my old thicknesser & those sanded off with very little effort.
Hopefully it will get a good work out in the next couple of weeks.

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Re: Hammer

Postby tusses » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:20 pm

that looks very sexy ! 8-)

what happens at blade change time ? looks like a bit of a task :shock:

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Postby Leveller2911 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:21 pm

Nice n shiny Doug, Like the idea of the spiral cutter block and so easy to change a turn blade if its chipped and its a good idea each tip is numbered 1-4.Do they offer the option of a TERSA block Doug? and whats the capacity and HP?............

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Re: Hammer

Postby jonnyd » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:32 pm

Looks good Doug. I would be interested to see how it copes with some interlocked or ripple grain which normally tears out on a normal block.

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Re: Hammer

Postby mattty » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:39 pm

That looks nice Doug. Spendy?
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Postby JHWBigley » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:51 pm

Very smart Doug, glad you got the supply issues sorted.

Any dimming of the lights reported yet? :lol:

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Re: Hammer

Postby Doug » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:09 pm

tusses wrote:that looks very sexy ! 8-)

what happens at blade change time ? looks like a bit of a task :shock:


Just turn the tips, self locating with 4 cutting edges.


Leveller2911 wrote:.Do they offer the option of a TERSA block Doug? and whats the capacity and HP?............

I like red paintwork and have you giver her a name yet?. :)


I don`t know re the tersa, though i don`t remember seeing it as an option, cuts 406 wide by 225 deep with a 4 HP 3KW single phase motor.
I`ve never thought of naming a machine :lol: :lol: perhaps I should call it Jessie as she, in effect, bought it me

jonnyd wrote: I would be interested to see how it copes with some interlocked or ripple grain which normally tears out on a normal block.


That`s where its supposed to excel, if you wanna send me a few cubic foot of any rippled timber you have i`ll happily run it through :mrgreen:


mattty wrote:That looks nice Doug. Spendy?


I`ll not be paying any tax this year, :D

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Any dimming of the lights reported yet? :lol:


Funny you should say that, :lol: :lol: :lol: It didn`t stop the kids playing COD though.

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Re: Hammer

Postby woodsmith » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:34 pm

Deep envy :D
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Re: Hammer

Postby Mr Ed » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:35 pm

Sweeeeet.

I'll be coming round for a proper inspection.

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Postby timbly » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:44 pm

Hi Doug
Nice review..
We've got the A3 41 with spiral block and while mainly happy have experienced scalloping lines running down the length of the board in line with the individual cutters.
The scalloping can be sanded out and i'm unsure if this is just an unavoidable consequence of a spiral block or whether ours is not set up 100% correctly.
Are you getting any scalloping at all ?
The overall quality of the Hammer is very good, the reduction in noise levels is a definite plus and the spiral block is very good at dealing with wild grain.
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Re: Hammer

Postby thatsnotafestool » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:10 pm

How much, Doug?
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Postby mark270981 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:13 pm

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Re: Hammer

Postby jfc » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:17 am

:lol:

Nice and shiney mate !

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Re: Hammer

Postby Doug » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:34 am

Mr Ed wrote:I'll be coming round for a proper inspection.


Anytime Ed


timbly wrote:Are you getting any scalloping at all ?


Not as yet, though the manual does have a section on causes & remedies for this.

thatsnotafestool wrote:How much, Doug?


Basic machine about 2.5K block around £600 both include Vat

mark270981 wrote:Give him chance he's only just bought it


:lol: :lol: , quite, I`ve only had it up & running for 1 day

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Nice and shiney mate !


Thanks, the machines not bad either :lol: :lol:

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Re: Hammer

Postby mrgrimsdale » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:37 am

Doug wrote:
tusses wrote:that looks very sexy ! 8-)

what happens at blade change time ? looks like a bit of a task :shock:


Just turn the tips, self locating with 4 cutting edges.............
And only as necessary so you can just turn one on its own when its nicked a nail, or swap it for an outer one, or a new one after 4 faces used. So will save a huge amount of sharpening, with neglible down time.
Looks good!

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Re: Hammer

Postby tusses » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:51 am

I was thinking more along the lines of setting the cutting depth for each one. Is the theory that there is no adjustment ?
I would have thought as they all dull, if you turn one to a shiney new bit, then it will be slightly prouder than the rest ?

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Re: Hammer

Postby Doug » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:37 am

tusses wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of setting the cutting depth for each one. Is the theory that there is no adjustment ?


No adjustment, that what appealed to me, as setting the Wadkin is a PITA

tusses wrote: I would have thought as they all dull, if you turn one to a shiney new bit, then it will be slightly prouder than the rest ?


I think you`re right, though any off set would be minute & would depend on the use that set had had. I would only foresee changing individual tips if one got chipped, so hopefully very infrequently, & Hammer recommend all the tips are turned together.

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Postby modernist » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:05 am

Very posh, and I expect effective. You might even be able to listen to the radio.
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Postby thatsnotafestool » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:13 am

I want one.
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Postby 9fingers » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:32 pm

Doug, you need not be too concerned about the milling marks on the tables as provided the overall surface is flat, the ridges reduce friction and the dips allow retention of wax to keep the rust at bay.

Nice machine! BTW the DW733 you sold me is still doing sterling work.

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Re: Hammer

Postby PAC » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:41 pm

Mmmm shinny!

As for the question about tersa blocks, Felder do a Tersa block so I would imagine Hammer do as well

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Postby jonnyd » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:47 pm

I'm impressed by the carpet on the top

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Postby The Wood Butcher » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:54 pm

The carpet is kind of cool, excellent place to put the work without scratching it. I thought it was an excellent idea when I saw it at the felder shop in the town of concrete cows.

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Postby thatsnotafestool » Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:09 am

The Wood Butcher wrote:The carpet is kind of cool, excellent place to put the work without scratching it. I thought it was an excellent idea when I saw it at the felder shop in the town of concrete cows.


Can I get it in different colours? That black clashes dreadfully with my lipstick. :D
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Postby senior » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:06 am

is it 50:50 or 70:30 carpet, have you walked on it barefoot yet?
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Postby timbly » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:11 pm

Hi Doug
Here's an image I plucked off the web with an exaggerated view of the kind of problem we're getting with the finish off our A3 41 with the silent power cutter block;

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and here's an image taken with iphone of some we planed earlier;

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So you're not getting anything like this at all??
Talked to Felder support and they seemed surprised we were getting any scalloping at all so hopefully we can get this sorted out.
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Postby Doug » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:48 pm

Have to admit the carpet was a bit of a surprise, I imagine it deadens the sound, I just look at is as something else to hoover :lol: :lol:

Tim,

As yet I`ve not noticed any fault with the finish but I`m in the shop tomorrow afternoon & will be using the hammer so will report back afterwards.

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Postby jonnyd » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:01 pm

At least they've used a plain carpet and not an axminster :D

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jonnyd wrote:At least they've used a plain carpet and not an axminster :D

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Postby Doug » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:09 pm

jonnyd wrote:At least they've used a plain carpet and not an axminster :D



:lol: :lol: :lol:

It would have gone back :evil:

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Re: Hammer

Postby Doug » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:51 pm

Some piccys of Oak planed this afternoon, the slight strip effect lighter & darker brown was caused by my I-phone picking up the fluorescents as I was holding the timber up towards the tube.

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Incidentally this Oak is prone to tear out & as you can see the finish is tear out free, so well happy :D

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Postby Mr Ed » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:09 pm

It's incredibly difficult to capture surface finish in a photo, and consequently difficult to judge what you see against any other standard. However, if you're impressed with the finish then the machine is doing its job :D

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Postby timbly » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:14 pm

Hi Doug
Thanks for the pics..
It appears therefore that we shouldn't be getting the scalloping we're currently getting that runs down the length of the board in line with the individual cutter heads.
Really glad you posted this as we were going to accept this as part and parcel of the spiral head technology. I looked on some forums and people have complained of the same sort of result with Byrd heads (see these posts);
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/821
http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Scalloping_Marks_Left_by_a_Helical_Jointer_Head.html

Hopefully Felder will sort this out for us and hopefully we can get the sort of finish you are achieving.
I'll let you know how we get on..
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Postby jfc » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:36 pm

I would be kicking off big time if i was getting a scalloped finish . I was getting a better finish than that on my old Axi PT :shock:

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Postby Doug » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:40 pm

Hi Tim.

Your post made me think again as I`ve not take any deep cuts so far & in the link they said the scalloping was worse in softwood.
So I`ve just run through some very soft pine through the thicknesser taking a good 2mm cut, I bought it in the house to photo under the halogen kitchen down lighter with my I-phone practically touching the wood.

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The only marks I am getting are from the out feed roller & they are hardly visible to my naked eye.

My only thought & one that was mentioned in one of the links is that the edge of your cutting tips cannot be dead straight & if this isn`t from wear then perhaps you have a faulty batch.

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Postby mrgrimsdale » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:08 pm

Maybe it's a trade off - fast throughput, sharpening and setting hugely reduced, no tear out, but some planer marks showing?
In theory a straight edged blade turned off the axis like these are, can't cut a straight cut, but they are so small you wouldn't think this would be visible.
The best cut I ever had was from a cheap machine (Lurem Maxi 26) with conventional small but fast block and slow feed rate. But it had other problems.

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Re: Hammer

Postby timbly » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:26 pm

Hi Doug
Did you get any sort of information regarding the Silent Power block with your machine manual?
We received nothing with any reference to the Silent Power block.
Felder are so far not being entirely helpful. Their first response was to send a troubleshooting PDF file entirely in German. When we pointed out we didn't speak German they sent a text only Google translation of the same document, which unfortunately was only slightly more decipherable..
The UK support guys while perfectly friendly seem to have very little knowledge of the Silent Power block set up and are now saying they have to refer to the factory in Austria..
I'm kind of surprised that such a big company would introduce a new product without fully training the UK support team first.
I'm sure Felder will see us right in the end but presently our dealings with them are proving somewhat frustrating..
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Re: Hammer

Postby Doug » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:43 pm

Hi Tim.

I`ll sort out tomorrow what I got on the block & post it up.

From memory the tips are self aligning so as long as they are the correct ones it should be difficult to install them incorrectly.
Have you been getting the scallops from the word go?

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Re: Hammer

Postby jfc » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:59 pm

Do Austrians speak German then ? I thought they spoke Ostridge . :?

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Re: Hammer

Postby timbly » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:19 pm

Hi Doug
Yep it was doing it from the get go..
We tried rotating the blades today - no difference..
Hopefully we'll get some input from those clever Ostbridge speaking technical folks tomorrow. I'll let you know how we get on.
Kitchen job just starting - so could do with getting this sorted.
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