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Taking shape hope some of what I said helped .
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I was wondering when you might be have some spare time to update us on your progress Rodger and I am pleased to say it's looking good old boy!
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Completely forgot this website https://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2009/07 ... -a-volute/ and reminded by PAC1 over on TWH2
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Its very common to have two sizes of spindles on a staircase . Just make the bottom square part longer and keep the rest the same .
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Time to ask "Old Boy" for some advice. ;)
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Looking good but I think you need to come up with a way of strengthening it laterally the spindles won’t be enough, could be very dangerous after a few bevies. But your choice.
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This has been a mammoth task and dragged on longer than you ever imagined I suspect but nows not the time to cut corners. Those three spindles look way to flimsy to give any lateral strength and you could easily replace them with the same design but thicker spindles. It’s only 3 so wouldn’t break the bank to have them made if you can find someone to do it. Otherwise, I’m no great Turner btw, but if you send me a spindle and some wood I’ll make them for you.
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What wordsmith say’s but in addition make them so you can insert some STEEL pipe around 25mm diameter all the way through, beef up the bullnose step making it solid where the spindles go, then leave the pipe say 50mm long handrail end and longer into the bullnose step . Then just drill a TIGHT hole where they fit and glue with polyurethane glue or resin.
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thatsnotafestool wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:36 am
Oldboy22 wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:27 am What wordsmith say’s but in addition make them so you can insert some STEEL pipe around 25mm diameter all the way through, beef up the bullnose step making it solid where the spindles go, then leave the pipe say 50mm long handrail end and longer into the bullnose step . Then just drill a TIGHT hole where they fit and glue with polyurethane glue or resin.
That simply isn't going to happen.
Until you decide it is going to happen!

Which may mean taking the balustrade apart and a lot more work!

I know which way around I'd do it Rodger.

Good work so far mate.
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LOL ! Nope...never, ever going to happen.
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thatsnotafestool wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:32 pm LOL ! Nope...never, ever going to happen.

Never Ever!....We'll see....LoL


PS: I like the use of poly, saves a lot of expensive wood.
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I assume the newel is coming out ?, here’s one of my old drawings you need to draw it at your pitch and handrail dimensions. It’s just the reverse of the part that joins to your volute, that was going from level to rake! This needs to go from rake to level, but essentially the same and only a single twist and single bevel.
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I’ve drawn both types on one drawing you need the one on the right
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Nice one ! I think i would have full on sh*t myself doing that :lol:
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jfc wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:50 am Nice one ! I think i would have full on sh*t myself doing that :lol:
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Centre point is B and dependent on your pitch, major and minor axis are the two sides of the rectangle with the centre point of the two axis to the right of A at the junction of the two lines, the corner of the rectangle. Twist bevel is just the pitch . Very easy compared to double twist. I can’t draw anything I only have my phone. But should be easy to follow.
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Just use the method you used for your volute it’s the same method but just make sure you hand it the right way and put the bevel the right way it will need turning so the twist is at the top and not the bottom. Sorry if I’m not making sense.
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It’s the one on the right but it doesn’t matter at this level if you study the drawings they both give exactly the same results. It’s just how you place the template and twist bevel that matters.
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Don’t panic you have done this. A short explanation, the box containing the plan radius has to be developed into a ellipse, because the handrail is rising at a pitch and not level. Easy so far yes?.
So the radius is one side of the rectangle, the other and longer side comes from how much the stairs rise over the given plan in my drawing it’s the 42deg line ! Yours would be 29.5deg if I remember correctly, it will be longer than mine. This is the other side of the rectangle. They are your semi minor and semi major axis of your ellipse easy yes?.

The bevel is the same angle as the pitch of your stairs 29.5 deg in this case. Easiest bevel ever.

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Part two

How to get the width needed for the twist.
I’ve shown two ways, first draw the width of your handrail in the plan( the small circle diameter is my fictitious handrail width) draw a construction line vertically to the pitch line , this is the new radius for the width of the twist, draw two lines horizontally to give you the width for the twist on the right.

Second method draw two construction lines vertically from the diameter of the small circle in the plan ,draw a line diagonally from the corner of the rectangle to the other corner of the rectangle, then draw two lines parallel to the first line from the two lines that you projected up from the plan, drawn in pink! These lines should be bang on the same as method one to prove everything is correct.

Can’t really make it easier, hope you understand now .
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What ever is easier for you!
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Sorry it’s wrong, it looks like your trying to make a double twist wreath and it’s not. Just copy my drawing with your plan radius and stair pitch, but follow my drawing once you have the template you can orientate that the way you want.
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