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Oldboy22 wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 4:57 pm None of what I said was b%*l+-&ks.
I don't think anyone thought what you said was b*ll*cks. However this forum has only a handful of members that post, maybe a dozen who browse and only one that was actually making a handrail. Don't confuse 'views' with actual people and don't mistake a lack of feedback as a lack of interest. Most people love reading this sort of thing but have nothing to add. That's the internet.

Thanks for sharing.
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telos wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:30 am
Oldboy22 wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 4:57 pm None of what I said was b%*l+-&ks.
I don't think anyone thought what you said was b*ll*cks. However this forum has only a handful of members that post, maybe a dozen who browse and only one that was actually making a handrail. Don't confuse 'views' with actual people and don't mistake a lack of feedback as a lack of interest. Most people love reading this sort of thing but have nothing to add. That's the internet.

Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for showing your head above the parapet, it’s nice to know I’m not talking to myself so THANK YOU

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Those who have been following this thread will know I introduced my solution for a forum members handrail problem, on page one of this thread, I can say my faith in the tangent handrail system has been tested over the last few weeks. I’m glad to say after proving my handrail drawing by making the practice piece faith is now fully restored, and it’s not hard to do, it just takes practice. In a few years this system will be forgotten, and I think that is a tragedy.


Keep the faith
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telos wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:30 am
Oldboy22 wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 4:57 pm None of what I said was b%*l+-&ks.
I don't think anyone thought what you said was b*ll*cks. However this forum has only a handful of members that post, maybe a dozen who browse and only one that was actually making a handrail. Don't confuse 'views' with actual people and don't mistake a lack of feedback as a lack of interest. Most people love reading this sort of thing but have nothing to add. That's the internet.

Thanks for sharing.
My thoughts exactly. I’ve watched this thread with interest but don’t imagine I’ll ever build anything like this myself.
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Thanks for your interest

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telos wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:30 am
Oldboy22 wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 4:57 pm None of what I said was b%*l+-&ks.
I don't think anyone thought what you said was b*ll*cks. However this forum has only a handful of members that post, maybe a dozen who browse and only one that was actually making a handrail. Don't confuse 'views' with actual people and don't mistake a lack of feedback as a lack of interest. Most people love reading this sort of thing but have nothing to add. That's the internet.

Thanks for sharing.
I would agree except I think more people view than just members.
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Apparently there are over 5000 members.
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Can anyone answer this , how many members on this site are tradesmen? Carpenters joiners etc
And how many diyers, men in sheds, etc . The reason I ask is I have other past projects I’d like to post, but they wouldn’t really be of interest to none tradesmen and don’t want to waste my time, if they are not appropriate for this forum.

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Oldboy22 wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 5:12 pm Can anyone answer this , how many members on this site are tradesmen? Carpenters joiners etc
And how many diyers, men in sheds, etc . The reason I ask is I have other past projects I’d like to post, but they wouldn’t really be of interest to none tradesmen and don’t want to waste my time, if they are not appropriate for this forum.

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I'm a Joiner, and I have been watching with interest :)
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Oldboy22 wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 5:12 pm Can anyone answer this , how many members on this site are tradesmen? Carpenters joiners etc
And how many diyers, men in sheds, etc . The reason I ask is I have other past projects I’d like to post, but they wouldn’t really be of interest to none tradesmen and don’t want to waste my time, if they are not appropriate for this forum.

Brian
You will find that this forum is frequented by trade and DIY woodworkers alike but unlike some woodwork forums which are inundated by DIY answers this forum tends to have tradesmen answer the questions.

The trades people that do pop in now and again to comment have experience and knowledge that is very valuable and you should not underestimate the value of this forum by any degree.

I have over 40 years of professional experience in the woodwork industry and have valued many of the comments made by both professional and none professional woodworkers on this site. Some of the DIY woodworkers on here are very professional in there approach to the job and have some very good tips to pass on.

Don't be afraid to post your work Old Boy.
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Oldboy22 wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:30 pm Apparently there are over 5000 members.
I think 90% of members are home owners who join up and ask one question and then disappear, don’t really benefit the forum at all.

That said I have nothing against home owners ,diyers or men in sheds.
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Here’s a couple of pictures of my practice piece looking down.
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I said to my grandson, what do you think!! He replied “it’s just a handrail grandad” lol. Kids bring you back to the real world. With a bump, ouch.
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Oldboy22 wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 5:12 pm Can anyone answer this , how many members on this site are tradesmen? Carpenters joiners etc
And how many diyers, men in sheds, etc . The reason I ask is I have other past projects I’d like to post, but they wouldn’t really be of interest to none tradesmen and don’t want to waste my time, if they are not appropriate for this forum.

Brian
I'm a Joiner and I've been watching the thread with interest, I did ask a question back on page 6 but I think it got buried under all the noise :lol:
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Oldboy22 wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 5:12 pm Can anyone answer this , how many members on this site are tradesmen? Carpenters joiners etc
And how many diyers, men in sheds, etc . The reason I ask is I have other past projects I’d like to post, but they wouldn’t really be of interest to none tradesmen and don’t want to waste my time, if they are not appropriate for this forum.

Brian
The other thing to consider is that this forum does serve as a great library of info for anyone searching for something specific. As long as any pictures don't disappear, then the information shared on here will be around for a while yet.
So, if you are concerned about knowledge being lost and you believe you have something interesting to share, then I would encourage you to go right ahead and post it. I don't think knowledge shared is ever a waste of time. There may not be many/any replies but you should know that someone out there will find it useful - even if it's not immediately.
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More staircase stuff I not affiliated to this company in any way lol.

I don’t like laminated handrails but by modern standards not a bad job.

https://youtu.be/6YsAj7NZIIM
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Anyone interested in staircase work, take a look at this and tell me, did they do a good job? They think they did.

I would have sacked them on the spot, but am I out of touch, is that’s what you get in the modern world.

https://youtu.be/uF_yF4ehUL0
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Oldboy22 wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 7:01 am Anyone interested in staircase work, take a look at this and tell me, did they do a good job? They think they did.

I would have sacked them on the spot, but am I out of touch, is that’s what you get in the modern world.

https://youtu.be/uF_yF4ehUL0
I took a look last night and found it very interesting, it's a shame the laminations were so visible on the handrail.
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Meccarroll wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 4:58 pm
Oldboy22 wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 7:01 am Anyone interested in staircase work, take a look at this and tell me, did they do a good job? They think they did.

I would have sacked them on the spot, but am I out of touch, is that’s what you get in the modern world.

https://youtu.be/uF_yF4ehUL0
I took a look last night and found it very interesting, it's a shame the laminations were so visible on the handrail.
Hi Mark
This is a different video and company, the company is quite happy to advertise the company, I would not put my name to the staircase build or instal. That would be bad enough, but to say that it’s a good job , that grates on me.
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thatsnotafestool wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 9:07 am Interesting calculator ?

http://www.sbebuilders.com/tools/geomet ... angent.php
Yes he’s a very clever man, I did use that calculator on my practice piece, (first time use) and it did come up with the correct bevels, I didn’t check wether the other results were right, but no reason to believe they wouldn’t be right.

I still prefer drawing it out, it doesn’t take long to draw once you are used to it.
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Here’s a drawing to help clarify some of the terminology used in tangent handrail drawing.
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Oldboy22 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 12:03 pm I said to my grandson, what do you think!! He replied “it’s just a handrail grandad” lol. Kids bring you back to the real world. With a bump, ouch.
Haha Kids are so funny :D :D But it looks great in my opinion ;)
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Tobi1186 wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 8:30 am
Oldboy22 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 12:03 pm I said to my grandson, what do you think!! He replied “it’s just a handrail grandad” lol. Kids bring you back to the real world. With a bump, ouch.
Haha Kids are so funny :D :D But it looks great in my opinion ;)
Thanks Tobi
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In the case of a single twist wreath the position of “seat” “height” and “pitch” is in a slightly different position. If anyone is interested lol.
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Hi everyone views on this thread are still going up so there is plenty of interest.
Has anyone got a comment good or bad, if your a professional tangent handrail specialist I would welcome your input good or bad, I don’t pretend I know it all.

Anyone done a drawing they can post or a drawing and model, if not give it a try why there is help available.

Would you like me to share a drawing for a different stair stretch out or plan layout.
I will warn you though, it is addictive once you get into it.

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Our first curly stairs and it could be our last :( its been going on for a while and now crunch time is to fit the handrail. Been a challenge ill post some
photos of how it got to this point. The transition at the top is my main worry as its on the curve, I got the feeling it will be cut off and be done from a solid block and cut and carved insitu. The laminated curve is done with 9 x 5mm bendy ply(first attempt was veneer epic fail !) and the handrail has 46 layers of veneer to make the width of 58mm, no idea how it would be done in solid section :?:


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JonR wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:20 am Our first curly stairs and it could be our last :( its been going on for a while and now crunch time is to fit the handrail. Been a challenge ill post some
photos of how it got to this point. The transition at the top is my main worry as its on the curve, I got the feeling it will be cut off and be done from a solid block and cut and carved insitu. The laminated curve is done with 9 x 5mm bendy ply(first attempt was veneer epic fail !) and the handrail has 46 layers of veneer to make the width of 58mm, no idea how it would be done in solid section :?:


Hi Jon

Stairs look very nice, the handrail is always the most challenging part, and from my point of view laminating is harder than tangent handrailing, by the time you make a former cut all the laminations gluing up with dozens of clamps and all the cleaning up after, and not really suited to this staircase but you have got to this point no and I guess you want to try and make it work.?

The problems I can see you need to transition between the different pitches with some kind of ramp or easing ( some of that could have been included in a wreath lessening the curve needed.

I can’t really see the curved part you’re concerned with at the top, can you give more information?

What is happening at the bottom? Newel? Scroll ?

I could draw that out for you if you wanted to go down the tangent handrail route.

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Thanks for the offer but as you say I got to make it work, its a daywork job for a regular client so he's saving and I'm learning but even so I cant wait to see the back of it. The tricky bit if you look at the string in piccy no6 with my lad in shot where the last kite meets the straight run it transitions on the curve hence the big lump at the top of the lamination....on it tomorrow so will see how its goes. I used the former for the curved string to laminate the handrail, it didn't take that long to do just awkward as fk.

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JonR wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:14 pm Thanks for the offer but as you say I got to make it work, its a daywork job for a regular client so he's saving and I'm learning but even so I cant wait to see the back of it. The tricky bit if you look at the string in piccy no6 with my lad in shot where the last kite meets the straight run it transitions on the curve hence the big lump at the top of the lamination....on it tomorrow so will see how its goes. I used the former for the curved string to laminate the handrail, it didn't take that long to do just awkward as fk.

Jon
Okay Jon
Thanks for posting your stairs and good luck with the transition piece, it would be great if you could post how you solved it, and maybe some finished pics.
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JonR wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:14 pm Thanks for the offer but as you say I got to make it work, its a daywork job for a regular client so he's saving and I'm learning but even so I cant wait to see the back of it. The tricky bit if you look at the string in piccy no6 with my lad in shot where the last kite meets the straight run it transitions on the curve hence the big lump at the top of the lamination....on it tomorrow so will see how its goes. I used the former for the curved string to laminate the handrail, it didn't take that long to do just awkward as fk.

Jon
Jon . The one i am repairing now is from about 1870 and they have put a twist in it to get it to line up with the straight part . i would post a picture but i'm still glueing it all back together.
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JonR wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:14 pm Thanks for the offer but as you say I got to make it work, its a daywork job for a regular client so he's saving and I'm learning but even so I cant wait to see the back of it. The tricky bit if you look at the string in piccy no6 with my lad in shot where the last kite meets the straight run it transitions on the curve hence the big lump at the top of the lamination....on it tomorrow so will see how its goes. I used the former for the curved string to laminate the handrail, it didn't take that long to do just awkward as fk.

Jon
How did things work out in the end?
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Oldboy22 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:21 am Hi retired now but I’d like share some photos of a previous job as tangent handrail and staircases are in focus at the moment. This staircase and handrail are not perfect in anyway. I was called on to make this as I had done a lot of work for the client. I’ve never made a staircase or handrail like it before or after. I learnt a lot doing it all made on site (no workshop).
Wow, great work. The design, style, and finishing burnish of stairs were so gorgeous and eye-catching. I save your design and want to use it in my house.
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AlexisFrank wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:46 am
Oldboy22 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:21 am Hi retired now but I’d like share some photos of a previous job as tangent handrail and staircases are in focus at the moment. This staircase and handrail are not perfect in anyway. I was called on to make this as I had done a lot of work for the client. I’ve never made a staircase or handrail like it before or after. I learnt a lot doing it all made on site (no workshop).
Wow, great work. The design, style, and finishing burnish of stairs were so gorgeous and eye-catching. I save your design and want to use it in my house.
Wow thanks Alexis , glad you like it.
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Hi Alexis
Please delete above post on it has nothing to do with this thread.
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I did wonder when he was going to start spamming .
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