Joinerysoft

[Top Notch Joiner]

It was a joke boys! That thing where you crack a smile? You know, a bit of banter? Or as the Irish say, 'having the crack'.

That's kitchen fitters for you!

[senior]

It was a joke boys! That thing where you crack a smile? You know, a bit of banter? Or as the Irish say, 'having the crack'.

That's kitchen fitters for you!

Except it's like this really.............. imagine we are all down the pub, day after day all having a right laugh, all know each other really well and can throw insults around and crack one another up. Then this new bloke walks in stands at the bar repeating a rant over and over, most ignore him a few are polite to him, then after 5 mins he walks over and calls everyone a useless bunch of tw*ts.

Just seems and feels a bit odd.

[Top Notch Joiner]

Who called everyone a useless bunch of tw*ts?

I missed that?

[sainty]

Who called everyone a useless bunch of tw*ts?

I missed that?

I was thinking it.

[jfc]

Who called everyone a useless bunch of tw*ts?

I missed that?

I was thinking it.

You think we are a useless bunch of tw*ts ?

[sainty]

You think we are a useless bunch of tw*ts ?

I didn't say it though.

[Doug]

[mark270981]

It's craic - the Irish say craic!!

[Meccarroll]

You think we are a useless bunch of tw*ts ?

I didn't say it though.

Ok, you didn't say tw*ts, cos'....it's rude!.....useless is ok though!

[Top Notch Joiner]

It's craic - the Irish say craic!!

If senior (Mr Grumpy), ever did manage a rare smile, that's what would happen to his face. It would craic!

I'll get my coat.

[Top Notch Joiner]

It's craic - the Irish say craic!!

If senior (Mr Grumpy), ever did manage a rare smile, that's what would happen to his face. It would craic!

I'll get my coat.

[markymark]

Hi all

Yes I am in agreement with top notch joiner that joinery soft just ripped us off. It is not a payment for maintenance, they should tell you that it's a huge deposit then you just rent it year on year. They promise loads of updates and bug fixes but come up with nothing. I have spoken to lots of people that do use joinery soft and I have not heard anyone say that it is any good, its just a shame that you could not get these reviews before you part with all that money. If you are considering buying this software don't, go and have a nice holiday and save your self the stress and then come back and look else where for your software. It's very expensive and on going expensive and not that good either. Just like top notch joiner you stop paying for the maintenance package and a whole load of stuff stops working.

[mark270981]

How much is it out of interest and why did you think it was so special to warrant spending the money?

[thatsnotafestool]

How do we know markymark is not top notch joiner enrolled just to have another bitching session?

[Andys Woodshed]

How do we know markymark is not top notch joiner enrolled just to have another bitching session?

I'm sure if you gave Mark the opportunity to introduce himself and the type of joinery his company produces that would be apparent

[thatsnotafestool]

So why didn't he do this in his first post ?

[podengo]

I think joinerysoft is pretty good. Its not cheap, but then no specialist software operating in a small market is cheap.

Ive not tried any alternatives so dont know if there are any better or different joinery packages available.

[Andys Woodshed]

So why didn't he do this in his first post ?

Give him chance and he might .......

[Tomyjoiner]

How do we know markymark is not top notch joiner enrolled just to have another bitching session?

[billybuntus]

I can see this has gone on for a while and I don't want to particularly continue it but I can appreciate the frustration.

A few years back not many software companies charged a maintenance fee. Everything was generally upfront and you'd buy it outright. Some large outfits such as oracle or citrix have charged an annual support subscription for 15+ years.

I always thought it a rip off, but if they didn't generate income this way there products wouldn't be properly maintained.

I fully understand this now and support it. It makes complete sense and makes for better products. Microsoft are slowly but surely moving to this model. We pay in excess of £500,000 a year for Microsoft subscriptions (I'm in IT, not a workshop). 99% of all vendors will move to this model in the next 5 years, it's just natural progression.

I can understand why your annoyed with the company you've bought your software from. Have you thought about having some training to speed things up in terms of getting the best out of the system? We've spent years issuing 'technology' in the form of computers and software but have only recently clicked on that not many know how to use it. We call it embedding technology.

As always though if your looking to part with your hard earned then buyer beware! Treat all salesmen with the contempt they deserve.

[Meccarroll]

I can see this has gone on for a while and I don't want to particularly continue it but I can appreciate the frustration.

A few years back not many software companies charged a maintenance fee. Everything was generally upfront and you'd buy it outright. Some large outfits such as oracle or citrix have charged an annual support subscription for 15+ years.

I always thought it a rip off, but if they didn't generate income this way there products wouldn't be properly maintained.

I fully understand this now and support it. It makes complete sense and makes for better products. Microsoft are slowly but surely moving to this model. We pay in excess of £500,000 a year for Microsoft subscriptions (I'm in IT, not a workshop). 99% of all vendors will move to this model in the next 5 years, it's just natural progression.

Apple are one of the biggest names in IT and very very successful too, they don't charge an annual maintenance fee for any of the software that I use. Paying a one off fee for a version upgraded is fair because you generally have the opportunity to check out the software first to see if the upgrade suites your needs.

With a maintenance fee a customer has no idea what upgrades (if any) they are going to get in a years time. Most software packages reaches a stage where the software becomes obsolete and can't be upgraded. This happened with Apples "Final Cut Pro" video editing software, it was replaced with Apples "Final Cut Pro X". I personally think paying for version upgrades is fair but obscure maintenance fees not so fair.

Mark

[Top Notch Joiner]

Hi all

Yes I am in agreement with top notch joiner that joinery soft just ripped us off. It is not a payment for maintenance, they should tell you that it's a huge deposit then you just rent it year on year. They promise loads of updates and bug fixes but come up with nothing. I have spoken to lots of people that do use joinery soft and I have not heard anyone say that it is any good, its just a shame that you could not get these reviews before you part with all that money. If you are considering buying this software don't, go and have a nice holiday and save your self the stress and then come back and look else where for your software. It's very expensive and on going expensive and not that good either. Just like top notch joiner you stop paying for the maintenance package and a whole load of stuff stops working.

Hi there markymark,

At last, someone else who is not too impressed with Joinerysoft. Firstly, may I please ask how many employees that you have? Or are you like me, a sole trader?

I am still pissed off with myself, as much as anyone, for paying out the sums of money that I did for this software. There aren't any other Joinerysoft reviews on the internet, so this thread will hopefully provide potential purchasers with a little insight, before they shell out. In my opinion, JOINERYSOFT IS DEFINATELY NOT FOR A SOLE TRADER. In fact, I would say that you would need at least 5 employees to make it a viable purchase. Even then, don't expect it to transform your life, because it won't. If anything, it slows me down

The thing that annoys me most about Joinerysoft is, it was sold to me as a 'tool' that was going to speed up my life. Make my life simpler. IT DOESN'T! If anything, it slows me down. Yes, it does your cutting list for you, etc, etc, but by the time that I've entered all the specifications for the job in hand, then checked everything is correct (you HAVE to check everything), I had just as well had done it all on a note pad, like I used to do. In fact, if the job is a one off, or two windows, I just work it all out on a note pad. For the sash & casement window modules, the door/frame & the screen modules, I paid out the best part of £7,000 up front, then my maintanance payment was something like £900 per year, if I remember correctly. The maintanance payment, for me, was a complete joke! I phoned them maybe twice, in 3 years or so. It was becoming ridiculous that I was paying out all that money every year, for what??? A bloody U-Value calculator!!! Of course, they have now switched the calculator off, and if I have a problem with my software, I will need to pay backdated maintanance payments, before they even look at my problem. This company should not be pushing their product onto small firms. No way! That's what irritates me the most. They would have known full well, that Joinerysoft was not suitable for me, a sole trader. The maintanance info is in their T's & C's, but in my opinion, it was not made clear enough, when I made the purchase. The product itself has many glitches & flaws, but I can not fix those bugs, because I refuse to pay their annual maitanance fee, which I call the ransom. If you are considering purchasing Joinerysoft, think long and hard about it. It may work for you, it certainly hasn't worked out for me.

The marketing side of Joinersoft is as corporate as it gets! The trade magazine adverts, the trade show exhibition stand, it STINKS of money! The way that I saw it was, why should I fund all of that? That's basically what your maintanance payments will do. Pay for their all singing, all dancing, marketing campaign. It's a mugs game. BEWARE!

[thatsnotafestool]

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Apple are one of the biggest names in IT and very very successful too, they don't charge an annual maintenance fee for any of the software that I use. Paying a one off fee for a version upgraded is fair because you generally have the opportunity to check out the software first to see if the upgrade suites your needs.

With a maintenance fee a customer has no idea what upgrades (if any) they are going to get in a years time. Most software packages reaches a stage where the software becomes obsolete and can't be upgraded. This happened with Apples "Final Cut Pro" video editing software, it was replaced with Apples "Final Cut Pro X". I personally think paying for version upgrades is fair but obscure maintenance fees not so fair.

Mark

You can't compare Apple (with sales of its software running into the billions) and a tiny company such as Joinerysoft. Apple can easily afford to amortise the cost of their software over the millions of copies that they sell. And their piggybanks are further supported by the sale of their hardware.

There are many reasons why software can't be upgraded but it's usually down to external variables such as changes in the underlying operating system or chipset. They may wish to change the look and feel wholesale and bring out a new version but that is a marketing decision.

Why are maintenance fees 'obscure' ? Users of Joinerysoft probably have a far greater input on the development of new features then say you or I on the direction that Apple take.

[Meccarroll]

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Apple are one of the biggest names in IT and very very successful too, they don't charge an annual maintenance fee for any of the software that I use. Paying a one off fee for a version upgraded is fair because you generally have the opportunity to check out the software first to see if the upgrade suites your needs.

With a maintenance fee a customer has no idea what upgrades (if any) they are going to get in a years time. Most software packages reaches a stage where the software becomes obsolete and can't be upgraded. This happened with Apples "Final Cut Pro" video editing software, it was replaced with Apples "Final Cut Pro X". I personally think paying for version upgrades is fair but obscure maintenance fees not so fair.

Mark

1.
You can't compare Apple (with sales of its software running into the billions) and a tiny company such as Joinerysoft. Apple can easily afford to amortise the cost of their software over the millions of copies that they sell. And their piggybanks are further supported by the sale of their hardware.

2.
There are many reasons why software can't be upgraded but it's usually down to external variables such as changes in the underlying operating system or chipset. They may wish to change the look and feel wholesale and bring out a new version but that is a marketing decision.

3.
Why are maintenance fees 'obscure' ? Users of Joinerysoft probably have a far greater input on the development of new features then say you or I on the direction that Apple take.

1. Was my opinion on the merits of a one off payment for a version upgrade as opposed to paying regular maintenance fees. There was no mention of Joinery soft and I drew no comparison between them and Apple.

2.No comment here?.

3. I'm sure Joinerysoft suits some peoples budget and the way they work. I don't use it, but if it made me more money than it cost to buy and maintain I'd be silly not too. I do more sub-contract work than anything else so it's not for me I'm afraid.

Just imagine how much it would cost every year if you had to pay a maintenance fee for every bit of software that you run on your computer....£££££££ I'd like to stick to paying for upgrades at my convenience please.

Mark

[riclepp]

Has that tin of paint dried yet???